Workshop feedback

The Pepys estate and Marsh Farm workshops took place in early August. We hoped to discover what people from the estates felt about poverty in the media and how people (such as themselves) are represented in the media and TV. The people from each estate vary in culture and background  (some are born into poverty and others have had it imposed upon them by circumstance).

At the Pepys estate, we had 4 participants. One of the most prevalent topics was on an article that emphasised postcode prejudice. Another popular subject of debate was the TV documentary “The Towers”. All of the participants were horrified at the inherent implications of both the article and programme.

At Marsh Farm, we had more people attend (8).  This time, with a larger group, we discussed general poverty issues as well as some interesting specifics. One such topic regarded the different types of poverty (financial poverty, spiritual poverty or emotional poverty).

At the start of each workshop, the participants were given a tutorial on how to set up and use the camera/film equipment. After this they considered relevant questions (for example: “what does it mean to be poor in the UK?” and “how does the media represent it?”). Then they took it in turn to interview each other.

Below are some comments from the participants regarding the workshops:
‘It gave me a chance to voice my opinion which I wanted to do for a long time’

‘It was an opportunity to hear what people from Marsh Farm had to say about the state of the area’

‘I found the technical side filming interesting’

‘Learning how to use the basic of the camera was good, so if I ever wanted to learn how to use the camera in the future. I have the basic knowledge’

‘It was good because we were able to put our views across that don’t always get across’.

‘The interviews reinforced my existing opinion’

Is exclusion from education exclusion from representation?

According to a recent article in the Guardian, ‘only 176, or just over half a percent, of nearly 30,000 pupils who got three As at A Level last year were eligible for free school meals’.

If these statistics are correct, it  indicates that the poorest in society are still not accessing higher level education.   You cannot attend a good university, in most cases, if you do not have good A Levels.

What affect does this have on the media?

If you do not go to University, what chance do you have of working at the BBC or one  of the mainstream newspapers? And if none of the poorest social groups work in the main stream media, what are the chances of a fair representation of this social group?

The Tower: Social realism or stereotyping

The Tower is a documentary TV series,  recently broadcast on BBC1, which claims to give an accurate portrayal of the social issues on the Aragon Tower on the Pepys estate. The Tower has been sold to private developers Berkley Homes and the programme centres around  the contrast between the old and new residents.  Some have heralded this as an excellent of portrayal the deep-seated social problems of large council estates, contrasting  the lives of local council tenants with a recent influx of wealthy home owners, to highlight the issues around ‘mixed development’. Others have claimed the program relies on old forms of stereotyping,  portraying the mass of council tenants as either brow-beaten victims, alcoholic drug -riddled junkies or violent criminals.

How accurate is The Tower portrayal of the Pepys Estate? Is it possible to make a popular TV show about social issues without using the most extreme examples? Is this sort of program useful to remind people that real problems do exist in these areas or does is simple make the problems worse? Can you show poverty in a bad light without showing poor people in a bad light.

Jade Goody: Is she really a hero to the students of Bacon’s College?


Below there is an article published in Jan 2007 in the Daily Mail claiming that students of Bacon college see Jade Goody as their ultimate role model.  Hannah Rumney, a student at Bacon College, argued at Spectacles Poverty  and the Media workshop that this was completely untrue. Filled with shady characters who are supposed to represent ‘students’ and slang Hannah has never heard of, like ‘Kippered’,  Hannah calls into question the authenticity of the articles interviewees. Read the article below and let us know what you think. What does Kippered mean?

Where Jade will always be a winner
Last updated at 08:50 31 January 2007

The streets went from cold and empty to full. And it took one minute. Now the silent park was a place filled with noise. Here come the kids out of Bacon’s College, Rotherhithe, South-East London.

Their faces were mostly deep inside sinister hoods and they were arguing all the way along the pavement. Jade walked home this way. Bacon’s was her school. She learned a lot in there. How to become a millionaire was the best.

She almost certainly could get herself defined as a moron. Look the word up. She qualifies.

Intelligence is not called for in the world of celebrity. Two other women with her on that ignorant show were halfwits.

No one walking out of Bacon’s towards the Surrey Quays shopping centre was in school with Jade. This one tall young pupil said all he heard of her until two weeks ago was that she bit a classmate’s ear.

He was with a group, two guys and three girls, going to Burger King. His mother had given him money for his tea.

If he didn’t get a burger, he would often go across to The Blue Market in Bermondsey and get chips.

Everybody knew their way around the shopping centre, every inch and doorway. That was so they could lose the police and community officers who went there chasing truants.

What about Jade, this lot was asked. “She’s the best,” the tall guy said.

But she left your school only vaguely knowing right from left.

“Yeah, well, it’s easy to get bored. She had other things to do.”

Like what?

Then they all threw in some fantasy. A good one was Jade bought a Rolls-Royce and was going to give lifts home to the ones from the old school who lived furthest away.

Jade didn’t know where East Anglia or Birmingham was, they were told.

The group said nothing. Any of you know, you asked them?

“It’s outside London somewheres,” the girl with dyed blonde hair said. “A long way. Up Manchester way somewheres.”

Is that North or South?

“Somewheres like that,” she said.

Anyone else know?

“It’s by the sea.” This was one of the guys.

Which sea? “The England Sea or something.”

A girl, 15, moody so far, opened up. “I been there in my father’s van. It sort of up there.”

She drew her finger through the air as if she was pointing at a map. The direction would have got her in the proper area and maybe earned half-marks. That’s sensational around here.

If East Anglia had been on TV, they would each have been in the zone. TV is the great teacher of children in these kind of places. All life is around it.

A kid thinks you dial 911 for an ambulance. It’s the American number. That’s the one they hear on the U.S. TV series being watched until midnight, even later.

Do people talk much about Jade in Bacon’s?

“Oh yeah, she’s from us, ain’t she. Done very good for herself.” The oldest-looking boy said that. The girls were with him.

Would you rather be like her or be a doctor? The blonde didn’t have to think about it.

“Like Jade, definite. She’ve got all them clothes and cars and things.”

She is a great big dope as well, the girl was told. That would not be too hard to handle, she thought, especially if you put £3 million in her bank account.

Two women, grey-haired, were drinking tea and cracking biscuits in a cafe near Burger King.

“We saw you talking to those kids outside,” one of them said. I was finding out what they thought of Jade, you said.

“Bloody well ask me,” the woman said. “I went to school down Galleywall in Bermondsey,” she was proud to say.

“During the war. Hardly any men teachers. A few old ones, that’s all. You had to learn in those days. There wasn’t one child came away without knowing a thing or two. English, geography, arithmetic.

“Today, well I can’t tell you if they know right from left.”

Then you said that was exactly what you told the Bacon’s pupils.

“They’re the same as all the others. Is it the teachers, the kids? I don’t have a clue. Something’s gone wrong.”

She had a granddaughter.

She was taken out of one school and put in another.

This was in Kent. She was so bright, her grandmother said, kids in the first school were holding her back. Now she was fine.

“Imagine if she had been in with that Jade creature. I’d bet if you could trace the other kids from her class most of them came out more or less the same, total idiots.”

Had you heard of Jade before?

“A little bit. No one was proud of her, I think. Her ignorance was shameful, not funny. There’s a good amount of it in these parts.”

The woman went back to her coffee and a nearly finished crossword in the Evening Standard. Late stragglers from the school were in Timber Pond Road. Smoke from some cigarettes floated away into the freezing evening.

I’ve been asking about Jade, you said to anyone who would listen.

“She been f****** done over,” a boy said. The words came from inside a hood that was almost a mask over his face.

“Yeah, f****** kippered up,” another one got in.

I was going to ask them where was East Anglia? It was better left until next time.

Should we move from the north to the south?

This morning a report was published by a think tank that claimed regeneration of northern cities such as Liverpool and Sunderland is failling and that those wanting to live in relative prosperity must move south for such dreams to become a reality.

What do you think? Are poverty, unemployment and low wages more prominent up north? Maybe you live there and can shed some light on these issues. This is another angle of the debate over poverty. Evidence has long claimed that life expectancy and living standards are significantly higher in London and the south than in the north, in places such as Middlesbrough and Hull.

Does poverty cause violence and the collapse of the family?

There is a mass of data that demonstrates the link between violence, defragmented famillies and unemployment in the poorest areas. But are these symptoms of the impoverished a result of their living situation, or are they a cause of it?

You could easily be forgiven for thinking that this poverty is the result of the above problems, and many more. But a study by Richard Wilkinson in The Impact of Inequality actually contradicts this idea. unequal societies are broken societies, all of whose members suffer. Violence is more common in societies where income differences are larger, not just in things like murder rates, but in low-level arguments, racial hostility, and antisocial behaviour. Communities are more fragile in less equal societies. And political participation is lower, and political institutions less effective, in less equal societies. Wilkinson shows how it is the stress, competition and exclusion generated by living in a highly unequal society that underlies these outcomes.

What do you think? Richard Tawney, the famous historian, once said ‘we need the equal start as well as the open road’ if equality of opportunity is to mean anything. With the problems of poverty in today’s society, does he have a valid point? Should we seek to redress natural inequalities that exist within society, in order to mend the problems we face? Is violence, defragmented communities and poor political participation going to continue in these areas until we find a solution to natural inequality?

Is ‘poverty’ a financial term?

We think of poverty as a state of being without money. But is this too narrow a scope?

Can poverty be a psychological thing, affected more by feelings of uselessness, worthlessness and being undervalued and ignored by society? Is it possible that two people living on minimum wage can have a different stance on their situation? One being happy with their lot, the other desolate and desperate.

Ultimately, can we limit the affect and definition of poverty to this financial conception we hold, or is it merely a state of mind?

Media Poverty Representation

One of our key issues is representation of poverty in the media.

How are people in the poorest areas represented? Are they shown to be stupid? Uncultured? Lacking in future aspirations? Are white and ethnic minority people represented differently?

Is the stereotype of your typical person lying in poverty, clad in a hoodie, strutting down the street with a stuttered stagger in his step, blazing the latest Jay-Z record from their phone whilst their oversized gold pendants dangle loosely about their person? Or is this just what the media like to portray?

How far from the truth is this?

The Causes of Poverty

Conservative Party Leader David Cameron has said:

“We have to think about the causes of poverty.  We have to disaggregate the problem – to look at the various types of poverty that exist, and the factors that contribute to them.

Because for most people, material poverty is a consequence of other factors. Family breakdown, drug and alcohol addiction, unemployment, poor education…”

Do you agree with these factors being the key reasons behind poverty?  Have you a personal experience of these factors?

Poverty and Media Workshop # 3- August 7th & 8th

Poverty and Media Workshop 2- 7th & 8th August

Our next video workshops for the ‘Poverty and Media’ project will be taking place next weekend on the 7th and 8th of August.

The workshops will be held between 10am and 4pm at 110 Union Road, Stockwell, SW8 2SH

Nearest Overground station: Wandsworth Road
Nearest Underground station: Stockwell

You can find a map of the location here on Streetmap.

If you’d like to attend this event, please contact us via our Contact Form

For more information on the workshop Poverty and Participation in the Media

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